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Post by catspajamas on Jan 21, 2020 13:16:09 GMT -6
Hillz with a quote on Sanders "nobody likes him" He was asked about this and responded "On a good day, my wife likes me, so let's clear the air on that one." lol
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Post by Minerva on Jan 21, 2020 15:51:07 GMT -6
That dancing video was amazing. Was that Steyer next to Bernie, in the scarf? So much hip motion. So funny! Yes. Steyer has big Elaine energy. I like Steyer’s scarf. Would wear. I had mittens like Bernie’s back in my college hippie phase.
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Post by Ls2012 on Jan 21, 2020 17:49:39 GMT -6
Totally. Overall I’m very happy with her! The nursing union here endorsed Sayed largely BC of his stance on universal healthcare and I get that. Many unions give single issue endorsements. But I am critical of her deal to lower car insurance rates. Basically a handout to health insurance and really puts people at risk. But I digress. Michigan is a great example of the woes of gerrymandering. We have a bitchin governor who is trying like hell to make deals across the aisle to no avail. A great SOS working on election security. And can I just say DANA MF NESSEL as AG! Plus two dem US Sens. Yet in the House and state leg so much gerrymandering has ensured our votes don’t count. Is this where I can brag about knowing 2 out of 3 of those ladies personally? Probably not, but it's something I like to mention. And use to annoy my conservative relatives by posting pictures of on FB. Say what?! Lucky. I met Gretchen and Dana when they were campaigning a couple times in '18. I bet Jocelyn is cool, too. That's pretty awesome to say you "know them" know them.
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Post by doublestuf on Jan 22, 2020 7:17:49 GMT -6
Hilary will not throw her support behind Bernie if he is the candidate saying that "Noone in congress likes him" and she also blames "Bernie Bros." That came across my phone a second ago. I really wish she wouldn’t have. I don't know what I was listening to last night, but I think she initially side-stepped the would you vote for him question. And then they went back and asked her PR person who said that she would vote for whomever the Dem nominee is. But yeah, there is nothing remotely helpful about these comments. And now she comes off as petty.
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Post by cakewench on Jan 22, 2020 8:08:22 GMT -6
Tulsi is suing Hillary for defamation:
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Post by starbuck on Jan 22, 2020 8:36:10 GMT -6
Tulsi is suing Hillary for defamation:
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Post by doublestuf on Jan 22, 2020 9:07:32 GMT -6
Tulsi is suing Hillary for defamation: Her ego is about as fragile as the Idiot in Charge. Girl, if you are serious about this president thing, you might want to invest in a few pairs of big girl panties.
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Post by Ls2012 on Jan 22, 2020 9:58:27 GMT -6
How is that going to work? Hillary never actually said Tulsi's name, did she? My goodness. So sensitive.
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Post by Minerva on Jan 22, 2020 10:03:15 GMT -6
Tulsi is suing Hillary for defamation: Lol. If she carries on with this, I wonder what Hil’s team of lawyers will dig up in discovery? Hillary’s comments about Bernie were definitely not helpful, but also nothing worse than what Bernie said about her back in the 2016 primary. And Bernie’s response that “My wife likes me” was perfect for diffusing the situation. At this point, their squabbles are background noise to me.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jan 22, 2020 10:04:20 GMT -6
How is that going to work? Hillary never actually said Tulsi's name, did she? My goodness. So sensitive. Also Tulsi is a public figure. It is much harder to have a successful defamation claim when you are a public figure. Most states require a showing that the statement is false and there were actual damages to the defamed. Some places require actual malice for the intent behind the statement or knowing the statement was false. This is just a publicity grab.
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Post by punker1212 on Jan 22, 2020 11:52:23 GMT -6
Tulsi is suing Hillary for defamation: This GIF is perfection. I think that’s the exact face I made.
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Post by doublestuf on Jan 22, 2020 14:26:41 GMT -6
I snorted.
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Post by roloma on Jan 22, 2020 15:49:15 GMT -6
Raskin endorsed Warren. Good endorsement just before IA caucus.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 22, 2020 16:15:11 GMT -6
Tulsi being so thirsty as to announce a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton the DAY after HRC has a go at Bernie makes me 100% certain she's an intentional spoiler
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Post by jaygee on Jan 22, 2020 16:30:45 GMT -6
Tulsi being so thirsty as to announce a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton the DAY after HRC has a go at Bernie makes me 100% certain she's an intentional spoiler Right? I haven’t heard her name in weeks and she pops up like heyyyyy.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 22, 2020 16:31:28 GMT -6
I don’t have any issue with what Hillary said about Bernie nor the timing. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by punker1212 on Jan 22, 2020 19:15:47 GMT -6
I don’t have any issue with what Hillary said about Bernie nor the timing. 🤷🏻♀️ I do. 1. It’s not true. He’s polling #1 per a new CNN poll. 2. It just amplifies the internal bickering problems we already have. The only person that helped us Trump.
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Post by elle on Jan 22, 2020 19:47:46 GMT -6
I don’t have any issue with what Hillary said about Bernie nor the timing. 🤷🏻♀️ I do. 1. It’s not true. He’s polling #1 per a new CNN poll. 2. It just amplifies the internal bickering problems we already have. The only person that helped us Trump. She originally made the comments in a documentary and was asked in a recent interview if she still felt that way. I can't fault her for her response, poorly timed as it may be.
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Post by punker1212 on Jan 22, 2020 19:51:04 GMT -6
I do. 1. It’s not true. He’s polling #1 per a new CNN poll. 2. It just amplifies the internal bickering problems we already have. The only person that helped us Trump. She originally made the comments in a documentary and was asked in a recent interview if she still felt that way. I can't fault her for her response, poorly timed as it may be. Sure. In my mind there is a difference with faulting someone individually and taking issue with it. Am I surprised? No. But I don’t love it either. I also wouldn’t like it if it was said by any other influential democrat? I say that but then I’ll sit here laughing at Tulsi jokes. And ovviously I’m V V influential.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 22, 2020 19:53:45 GMT -6
She originally made the comments in a documentary and was asked in a recent interview if she still felt that way. I can't fault her for her response, poorly timed as it may be. Sure. In my mind there is a difference with faulting someone individually and taking issue with it. Am I surprised? No. But I don’t love it either. I also wouldn’t like it if it was said by any other influential democrat? I say that but then I’ll sit here laughing at Tulsi jokes. And ovviously I’m V V influential. Well but I mean Tulsi is a human splinter so... ;-)
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Post by elle on Jan 22, 2020 20:10:28 GMT -6
She originally made the comments in a documentary and was asked in a recent interview if she still felt that way. I can't fault her for her response, poorly timed as it may be. Sure. In my mind there is a difference with faulting someone individually and taking issue with it. Am I surprised? No. But I don’t love it either. I also wouldn’t like it if it was said by any other influential democrat? I say that but then I’ll sit here laughing at Tulsi jokes. And ovviously I’m V V influential. That's fair.
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Post by PandaWatch on Jan 23, 2020 7:51:05 GMT -6
I don’t have any issue with what Hillary said about Bernie nor the timing. 🤷🏻♀️ I do. 1. It’s not true. He’s polling #1 per a new CNN poll. 2. It just amplifies the internal bickering problems we already have. The only person that helped us Trump. Electorate aside, no one in Washington likes him. I think that’s what she meant. PDQ. *poof* That’s one anecdote, but it’s far from an isolated event and illustrates why no one in Washington wants to work with him.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 23, 2020 8:14:30 GMT -6
Wow. I am floored by this. SF Mayor London Breed endorses Bloomberg. She was previously a Kamala supporter. Did not see this coming.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 23, 2020 8:15:44 GMT -6
PandaWatch thank you for validating what my gut has always told me. I feel like we’ve all had an experience working with someone in power like that. I can feel it in that anecdote.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 23, 2020 9:13:22 GMT -6
Wow. I am floored by this. SF Mayor London Breed endorses Bloomberg. She was previously a Kamala supporter. Did not see this coming. Does she lurk here? Maybe she's the one Bloomberg vote. 😀
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Post by punker1212 on Jan 23, 2020 9:17:11 GMT -6
Panda thanks for sharing that story. So disturbing. I guess i can’t be too surprised because that fits with a lot of what is seen/known about him.
Here’s an honest question: I have no inside knowledge of Washington politics. Will democrats really not support his agenda, if he were hypothetically elected, because they don’t like him? There are a lot of unlikable characters in Washington.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 23, 2020 9:32:10 GMT -6
I REALLY want to know who the Bloomberg vote was.
I just have not met any in the wild (shocking I know) and what about his policies appeal to them.
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Post by PandaWatch on Jan 23, 2020 9:32:53 GMT -6
Panda thanks for sharing that story. So disturbing. I guess i can’t be too surprised because that fits with a lot of what is seen/known about him. Here’s an honest question: I have no inside knowledge of Washington politics. Will democrats really not support his agenda, if he were hypothetically elected, because they don’t like him? There are a lot of unlikable characters in Washington. First and foremost, they won’t support his agenda because it’s not politically viable in today’s Congress. Change moves slowly and generally resides in the center. Most Democrats won’t support him if they don’t have pressure from enough of their constituents. Otherwise, they fear being voted out for being too “radical”. Second, no one is going to go out on a limb politically speaking for a man who is unreasonable, myopic and rude. If he were a different type of person, Dems could convince him to take it slow and work up to big changes over years of small wins. Put those two things together and there’s no incentive to work with him.
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Post by punker1212 on Jan 23, 2020 9:40:55 GMT -6
I think this is very different from what I envisioned in my fantasy. In my world, Democrats are thrilled to be freed from the pressures of bowing to donor influence and actually take action on their platform. Like it plays out how it would have for Jed Bartlett.
But Bartlett was maybe a little more pragmatic and a lot nicer than Bernie.
Also. This is just frustrating to internalize. Like, incremental movement is not going to work with climate change. Even the boldest GND isn’t enough to actually create meaningful changes. And incremental approaches to healthcare reform will still leave people dying while they wait. Sigh.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 23, 2020 10:01:34 GMT -6
I think this is very different from what I envisioned in my fantasy. In my world, Democrats are thrilled to be freed from the pressures of bowing to donor influence and actually take action on their platform. Like it plays out how it would have for Jed Bartlett. But Bartlett was maybe a little more pragmatic and a lot nicer than Bernie. Also. This is just frustrating to internalize. Like, incremental movement is not going to work with climate change. Even the boldest GND isn’t enough to actually create meaningful changes. And incremental approaches to healthcare reform will still leave people dying while they wait. Sigh. You're absolutely right that we need huge, bold, structural change on these life and death matters. But, governing happens as a team effort. It can be hard to remember that when you've got Mitch and buttface ruling by fiat, but look at the ACA. It started out as a far more liberal, reformative plan and through compromise and reaching across the aisle it became law. Obama would be the first to tell you it wasn't the total restructuring he would have hoped for, but it was still an enormous improvement. This was my issue with Bernie in the 2016 primary: I love the bold agenda he proposes, but it does me no good if he can't govern and enact that agenda. It's not that I don't support his vision for America, it's that I don't trust that he is the one who can get us there.
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