richard
Emerald
Posts: 13,699 Likes: 128,724
|
Post by richard on Jan 20, 2020 16:23:37 GMT -6
It's very nowadays NYT to not take a stand on the entire underlying premise of the Democratic primary.
|
|
|
Post by punker1212 on Jan 20, 2020 19:02:51 GMT -6
Ugh. I am having such a challenge selecting a candidate. I thought it would be pretty straight forward- after a few debates it was super clear to me that I am most aligned with Sanders' policies and I have a history of obsessing over him. I am starting to wonder about whether moderates will vote for him? Trying to be pragmatic which is... not typically my style. AM I GETTING OLD OR ARE THE STAKES SO HIGH I AM SHOOKETH??
|
|
jkjacq
Ruby
Posts: 21,768 Likes: 94,580
|
Post by jkjacq on Jan 20, 2020 19:37:04 GMT -6
Ugh. I am having such a challenge selecting a candidate. I thought it would be pretty straight forward- after a few debates it was super clear to me that I am most aligned with Sanders' policies and I have a history of obsessing over him. I am starting to wonder about whether moderates will vote for him? Trying to be pragmatic which is... not typically my style. AM I GETTING OLD OR ARE THE STAKES SO HIGH I AM SHOOKETH?? If you feel strongly about Bernie then that’s who you support. I say that knowing I would have a very hard time initially with him.
|
|
|
Post by bunnyfungo on Jan 20, 2020 19:40:26 GMT -6
Ugh. I am having such a challenge selecting a candidate. I thought it would be pretty straight forward- after a few debates it was super clear to me that I am most aligned with Sanders' policies and I have a history of obsessing over him. I am starting to wonder about whether moderates will vote for him? Trying to be pragmatic which is... not typically my style. AM I GETTING OLD OR ARE THE STAKES SO HIGH I AM SHOOKETH?? Vote for who *you* care about in the primaries. Save blue no matter who for the general. I’m not a Bernie fan, but I think people should vote for who represents their interests.
|
|
jkjacq
Ruby
Posts: 21,768 Likes: 94,580
|
Post by jkjacq on Jan 20, 2020 19:40:33 GMT -6
We’re here to discuss merits of each candidate not necessarily change minds (unless you support 45 then all bets are off). Yes this is the most important election we face but as long as we as a party support the eventual nominee fully, there isn’t a wrong answer. Well there is but I haven’t seen a whole lot of support for tulsi. So it’s a nonstarter. punker1212
|
|
|
Post by punker1212 on Jan 21, 2020 5:34:43 GMT -6
We’re here to discuss merits of each candidate not necessarily change minds (unless you support 45 then all bets are off). Yes this is the most important election we face but as long as we as a party support the eventual nominee fully, there isn’t a wrong answer. Well there is but I haven’t seen a whole lot of support for tulsi. So it’s a nonstarter. punker1212[ Surprisingly it wasn’t this place that got in my head. I’ve loved the perspectives but it really wasn’t enough to change my mind. I was listening to 1A interviewing Michigan voters. One of the women interviewed had voted Trump and regretted, now planned to vote for the dem nominee so long as it wasn’t a “radical”. I guess her interview stuck with me and I wondered how many others felt that way. Additionally in Michigan we had the opportunity to elect Abdul al Sayed, a very progressive candidate, but Whitmer, more moderate, won by a LANDSLIDE. so recently these thoughts have been tumbling around rather than just my excitement for Bernie. There really is a lot of pressure to keep Trump out of a second term. Though Bernie did great in Michigan last time so maybe there’s still something there!
|
|
|
Post by ladybrienne on Jan 21, 2020 7:16:06 GMT -6
Ugh. I am having such a challenge selecting a candidate. I thought it would be pretty straight forward- after a few debates it was super clear to me that I am most aligned with Sanders' policies and I have a history of obsessing over him. I am starting to wonder about whether moderates will vote for him? Trying to be pragmatic which is... not typically my style. AM I GETTING OLD OR ARE THE STAKES SO HIGH I AM SHOOKETH?? I am struggling too. 1 - I am sad that the field is so......white, and old, and rich? Woof. 2 - Richmond yesterday really scared me. If a progressive wins, I am afraid of what people like that will do. So then I think maybe this year we are better off with a moderate voice? And then I get confused all over again, mostly because I am also afraid that if Trump loses (especially to a progressive) he will claim voter fraud and refuse to leave office. This is a fear I have had for a while. It may seem alarmist, tin-foil hat like, and downright stupid, but shit, I can't pretend he wouldn't try some dumb shit like that and that his supporters wouldn't GAF. 3 - No matter who the nominee is (except Tulsi) I am going to happily support them, because this is the most important election in my lifetime where too much is at stake. I am going to do whatever I can at that point to get them elected. We need to get him out of office, full stop.
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,654 Likes: 429,259
|
Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2020 8:27:26 GMT -6
Also obligatory "Fuck Newt Gingrich" Also on my punt into the sun list I know it shouldn't matter, but there's a scene in P&R when Gerry/Gary/Lary Gingurch and Newt have a run in and Gerry is like "our names are so close maybe we're related" and Newt is a huge dick and it always makes me sneer because it seems so on-brand for Newt. I couldn't sleep last night and was rewatching the episode where Leslie meets Michelle Obama
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,654 Likes: 429,259
|
Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2020 8:27:43 GMT -6
I know it shouldn't matter, but there's a scene in P&R when Gerry/Gary/Lary Gingurch and Newt have a run in and Gerry is like "our names are so close maybe we're related" and Newt is a huge dick and it always makes me sneer because it seems so on-brand for Newt. My favorite was when Leslie met Joe Biden. HE IS PRECIOUS CARGO "My name came out of your mouth!"
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,654 Likes: 429,259
|
Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2020 8:30:27 GMT -6
Ugh. I am having such a challenge selecting a candidate. I thought it would be pretty straight forward- after a few debates it was super clear to me that I am most aligned with Sanders' policies and I have a history of obsessing over him. I am starting to wonder about whether moderates will vote for him? Trying to be pragmatic which is... not typically my style. AM I GETTING OLD OR ARE THE STAKES SO HIGH I AM SHOOKETH?? Personally, I'm shooketh. While I agree the most with Warren, policy-wise, I have serious doubts about her ability to beat Trump. And let me be clear, I HATE that. But I will most likely be voting with my head this year and not my heart. In fine with that, bc the stakes are so high. But also Iowa could totally change the landscape....
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,654 Likes: 429,259
|
Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2020 8:31:31 GMT -6
We’re here to discuss merits of each candidate not necessarily change minds (unless you support 45 then all bets are off). Yes this is the most important election we face but as long as we as a party support the eventual nominee fully, there isn’t a wrong answer. Well there is but I haven’t seen a whole lot of support for tulsi. So it’s a nonstarter. punker1212[ Surprisingly it wasn’t this place that got in my head. I’ve loved the perspectives but it really wasn’t enough to change my mind. I was listening to 1A interviewing Michigan voters. One of the women interviewed had voted Trump and regretted, now planned to vote for the dem nominee so long as it wasn’t a “radical”. I guess her interview stuck with me and I wondered how many others felt that way. Additionally in Michigan we had the opportunity to elect Abdul al Sayed, a very progressive candidate, but Whitmer, more moderate, won by a LANDSLIDE. so recently these thoughts have been tumbling around rather than just my excitement for Bernie. There really is a lot of pressure to keep Trump out of a second term. Though Bernie did great in Michigan last time so maybe there’s still something there! Whitmer was a phenomenal candidate, TBF
|
|
jkjacq
Ruby
Posts: 21,768 Likes: 94,580
|
Post by jkjacq on Jan 21, 2020 8:37:14 GMT -6
Hillz with a quote on Sanders "nobody likes him"
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,654 Likes: 429,259
|
Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2020 8:42:03 GMT -6
This cracked me up this morning. I love Bernard's mittens
|
|
|
Post by summerbabe on Jan 21, 2020 8:44:31 GMT -6
Hillz with a quote on Sanders "nobody likes him" I'm bummed that this came out this week. It isn't helpful, and it isn't going to change any minds.
|
|
|
Post by punker1212 on Jan 21, 2020 9:09:16 GMT -6
[ Surprisingly it wasn’t this place that got in my head. I’ve loved the perspectives but it really wasn’t enough to change my mind. I was listening to 1A interviewing Michigan voters. One of the women interviewed had voted Trump and regretted, now planned to vote for the dem nominee so long as it wasn’t a “radical”. I guess her interview stuck with me and I wondered how many others felt that way. Additionally in Michigan we had the opportunity to elect Abdul al Sayed, a very progressive candidate, but Whitmer, more moderate, won by a LANDSLIDE. so recently these thoughts have been tumbling around rather than just my excitement for Bernie. There really is a lot of pressure to keep Trump out of a second term. Though Bernie did great in Michigan last time so maybe there’s still something there! Whitmer was a phenomenal candidate, TBF Totally. Overall I’m very happy with her! The nursing union here endorsed Sayed largely BC of his stance on universal healthcare and I get that. Many unions give single issue endorsements. But I am critical of her deal to lower car insurance rates. Basically a handout to health insurance and really puts people at risk. But I digress. Michigan is a great example of the woes of gerrymandering. We have a bitchin governor who is trying like hell to make deals across the aisle to no avail. A great SOS working on election security. And can I just say DANA MF NESSEL as AG! Plus two dem US Sens. Yet in the House and state leg so much gerrymandering has ensured our votes don’t count.
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,654 Likes: 429,259
|
Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2020 9:11:08 GMT -6
Whitmer was a phenomenal candidate, TBF Totally. Overall I’m very happy with her! The nursing union here endorsed Sayed largely BC of his stance on universal healthcare and I get that. Many unions give single issue endorsements. But I am critical of her deal to lower car insurance rates. Basically a handout to health insurance and really puts people at risk. But I digress. Michigan is a great example of the woes of gerrymandering. We have a bitchin governor who is trying like hell to make deals across the aisle to no avail. A great SOS working on election security. And can I just say DANA MF NESSEL as AG! Plus two dem US Sens. Yet in the House and state leg so much gerrymandering has ensured our votes don’t count. I thought they were redrawing your maps
|
|
|
Post by punker1212 on Jan 21, 2020 9:14:49 GMT -6
Totally. Overall I’m very happy with her! The nursing union here endorsed Sayed largely BC of his stance on universal healthcare and I get that. Many unions give single issue endorsements. But I am critical of her deal to lower car insurance rates. Basically a handout to health insurance and really puts people at risk. But I digress. Michigan is a great example of the woes of gerrymandering. We have a bitchin governor who is trying like hell to make deals across the aisle to no avail. A great SOS working on election security. And can I just say DANA MF NESSEL as AG! Plus two dem US Sens. Yet in the House and state leg so much gerrymandering has ensured our votes don’t count. I thought they were redrawing your maps Oh that’s been a whole thing! Yes, the voters passed a ballot initiative to address this. But Rs are trying to curtail these efforts. The current representation is based on very gerrymandered maps.
|
|
|
Post by catspajamas on Jan 21, 2020 9:23:08 GMT -6
That dancing video was amazing. Was that Steyer next to Bernie, in the scarf? So much hip motion. So funny!
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,654 Likes: 429,259
|
Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2020 9:23:52 GMT -6
That dancing video was amazing. Was that Steyer next to Bernie, in the scarf? So much hip motion. So funny! Yes. Steyer has big Elaine energy.
|
|
JukEboX
Sapphire
Posts: 2,505 Likes: 5,338
|
Post by JukEboX on Jan 21, 2020 9:46:07 GMT -6
Hilary will not throw her support behind Bernie if he is the candidate saying that "Noone in congress likes him" and she also blames "Bernie Bros."
That came across my phone a second ago.
|
|
starbuck
Emerald
Posts: 12,464 Likes: 81,139
|
Post by starbuck on Jan 21, 2020 9:55:35 GMT -6
This cracked me up this morning. I love Bernard's mittens lol This video gives me all the Fremdschämen.
|
|
|
Post by justbecause on Jan 21, 2020 10:26:19 GMT -6
My mom gave me her thoughts on the election and it made me laugh so here it is.
There are still too many candidates. Wtf are half these people?!
Pete Buttigeg has a large butt. It doesn’t fit with the rest of his body. What is he even for in policies?
Bernie Sanders cut her in line for a chicken sandwich once 20 years ago and she’s still holding a grudge.
|
|
jkjacq
Ruby
Posts: 21,768 Likes: 94,580
|
Post by jkjacq on Jan 21, 2020 10:26:54 GMT -6
Bernie Sanders cut her in line for a chicken sandwich once 20 years ago and she’s still holding a grudge. ded
|
|
Dr. Cox
Emerald
Posts: 10,949 Likes: 80,277
|
Post by Dr. Cox on Jan 21, 2020 10:29:23 GMT -6
OMG, justbecause, I’m dying at your mom’s Bernie Sanders anecdote.
|
|
Dr. Cox
Emerald
Posts: 10,949 Likes: 80,277
|
Post by Dr. Cox on Jan 21, 2020 10:30:12 GMT -6
Hilary will not throw her support behind Bernie if he is the candidate saying that "Noone in congress likes him" and she also blames "Bernie Bros." That came across my phone a second ago. I really wish she wouldn’t have.
|
|
|
Post by justbecause on Jan 21, 2020 10:50:05 GMT -6
OMG, justbecause, I’m dying at your mom’s Bernie Sanders anecdote. He should have known better than to mess with my mom when she’s hungry
|
|
|
Post by ladybrienne on Jan 21, 2020 11:11:40 GMT -6
Bernie Sanders cut her in line for a chicken sandwich once 20 years ago and she’s still holding a grudge. your mom is the comedic relief we all need right now.
|
|
milano
Emerald
Posts: 10,943 Likes: 37,261
|
Post by milano on Jan 21, 2020 11:12:18 GMT -6
I also worry about all the people who are still head in the sand about all that is happening in politics right now. Their lives haven't been substantially affected, and "Democrats are scary and want to take my guns" so they'll vote T again/vote for the first time because why not. I know people in my own life with this thought process. It's terrifying to me. Makes no sense. But they exist.
ETA hit send too soon. I feel like these people *may* be persuaded to vote for someone like Klobuchar or Buttigieg. Biden is out for them, because Obama (eye roll). But both of them have no black support. My point being, how do we even vote with our heads when there are so many variables?
|
|
claudia
Sapphire
Posts: 4,577 Likes: 44,385
|
Post by claudia on Jan 21, 2020 11:31:20 GMT -6
Whitmer was a phenomenal candidate, TBF Totally. Overall I’m very happy with her! The nursing union here endorsed Sayed largely BC of his stance on universal healthcare and I get that. Many unions give single issue endorsements. But I am critical of her deal to lower car insurance rates. Basically a handout to health insurance and really puts people at risk. But I digress. Michigan is a great example of the woes of gerrymandering. We have a bitchin governor who is trying like hell to make deals across the aisle to no avail. A great SOS working on election security. And can I just say DANA MF NESSEL as AG! Plus two dem US Sens. Yet in the House and state leg so much gerrymandering has ensured our votes don’t count. Is this where I can brag about knowing 2 out of 3 of those ladies personally? Probably not, but it's something I like to mention. And use to annoy my conservative relatives by posting pictures of on FB.
|
|
|
Post by punker1212 on Jan 21, 2020 12:55:20 GMT -6
Totally. Overall I’m very happy with her! The nursing union here endorsed Sayed largely BC of his stance on universal healthcare and I get that. Many unions give single issue endorsements. But I am critical of her deal to lower car insurance rates. Basically a handout to health insurance and really puts people at risk. But I digress. Michigan is a great example of the woes of gerrymandering. We have a bitchin governor who is trying like hell to make deals across the aisle to no avail. A great SOS working on election security. And can I just say DANA MF NESSEL as AG! Plus two dem US Sens. Yet in the House and state leg so much gerrymandering has ensured our votes don’t count. Is this where I can brag about knowing 2 out of 3 of those ladies personally? Probably not, but it's something I like to mention. And use to annoy my conservative relatives by posting pictures of on FB. [ Say what?? Oh I’m very jealous!
|
|