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Post by doublestuf on Mar 14, 2019 19:12:11 GMT -6
At Michelle Obama's talk last night she very bluntly talked about how her and Barack's marriage was not 50-50 when it came to child rearing when the girls were young and how that was a problem in their marriage (She said Barack now likes to say that she hated him for a decade, lol). And I spent the weekend talking with my girlfriends about the "invisible labor" that mothers often disproportionately do (signing kids up for camp, buying the birthday presents, figuring out the grocery list). So I'm willing to give Beto the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to give his wife credit for what is likely the not 50-50 split they have, especially with his job. That said, Beto is not high up on my list currently because an overall golden boy vibe isn't enough. I'll admit I haven't paid super close attention to him earlier because a sentient garbage can would be better than Ted Cruz...but now I'm going to need more than a "I was born for this" to be impressed. Off-topic, but that part of the book where she opened up about being a working mom and dealing with all of his campaigns and the effects on their family just made me love her so much more. I could relate so much-well except H isn't running for President-but I'm glad that she put it out there that she struggled so much with his decision to run. She could have sugar-coated it and didn't.
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Post by origami on Mar 14, 2019 19:23:46 GMT -6
Remember the innocent time that was 2004 when the exploratories all happened in like, December 2003 and Howard Dean was effectively sidelined because he was TOO effusive? I'm already exhausted by 2020 and the primaries are still 11 (12?) months away. I still think we (Dems) fucked up by not going with Dean because he raised his damn voice. Passion is important. Word up. I don't remember who I voted that primary but I think it was him because I was like "so he battle cried, so what?" Decorum can eat it.
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Post by miawallace on Mar 14, 2019 19:36:13 GMT -6
Maybe I’m broken or something because I read the vanity fair thing on Beto and i don’t see the big deal with the born to do this comment. It’s meh to me. I’m okay with calling out problematic stuff. This just seemed like something generic someone campaigning says. To me it was just corny. I’m not sure I’m saying all this right.
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Post by richard on Mar 14, 2019 19:36:22 GMT -6
At Michelle Obama's talk last night she very bluntly talked about how her and Barack's marriage was not 50-50 when it came to child rearing when the girls were young and how that was a problem in their marriage (She said Barack now likes to say that she hated him for a decade, lol). And I spent the weekend talking with my girlfriends about the "invisible labor" that mothers often disproportionately do (signing kids up for camp, buying the birthday presents, figuring out the grocery list). So I'm willing to give Beto the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to give his wife credit for what is likely the not 50-50 split they have, especially with his job. That said, Beto is not high up on my list currently because an overall golden boy vibe isn't enough. I'll admit I haven't paid super close attention to him earlier because a sentient garbage can would be better than Ted Cruz...but now I'm going to need more than a "I was born for this" to be impressed. Off-topic, but that part of the book where she opened up about being a working mom and dealing with all of his campaigns and the effects on their family just made me love her so much more. I could relate so much-well except H isn't running for President-but I'm glad that she put it out there that she struggled so much with his decision to run. She could have sugar-coated it and didn't. Yes. One of my favorite parts in the book is when she's running to CVS over her lunch hour to run an errand and sit and eat a quick lunch in her car by herself...and when she gets into CVS she sees his picture on the cover of Time or whatever magazine. She was really clear that they went to counseling and she went into it expecting the therapist to basically "fix" Barack. But what she got out of it the most was that she couldn't wait around for him to find a solution to make her life more balanced. Instead of it going from it being MO 75%-BO 25%, it went to MO 60%-BO30% -her mom 10%. I should probably just start an MO thread - but I appreciated her being honest about it. And I can appreciate Beto being honest about it too - if that's what he was doing.
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Post by miawallace on Mar 14, 2019 19:37:30 GMT -6
My husband is very self deprecating about being a husband and dad. He’ll always downplay his share to lift me up. I saw it like that. But I don’t see his heart so im just assuming. So yeah lol
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Post by richard on Mar 14, 2019 19:40:44 GMT -6
Maybe I’m broken or something because I read the vanity fair thing on Beto and i don’t see the big deal with the born to do this comment. It’s meh to me. I’m okay with calling out problematic stuff. This just seemed like something generic someone campaigning says. To me it was just corny. I’m not sure I’m saying all this right. To me, he seems to be buying into his own myth. And it's a contrast to the "I've worked hard to be here" that seems to be the message of many of the female candidates. It's pretty interesting to me because I was completely on the opposite side of this with Obama-Hillary. Maybe I'm just old now. Lol.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 14, 2019 19:46:01 GMT -6
At Michelle Obama's talk last night she very bluntly talked about how her and Barack's marriage was not 50-50 when it came to child rearing when the girls were young and how that was a problem in their marriage (She said Barack now likes to say that she hated him for a decade, lol). And I spent the weekend talking with my girlfriends about the "invisible labor" that mothers often disproportionately do (signing kids up for camp, buying the birthday presents, figuring out the grocery list). So I'm willing to give Beto the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to give his wife credit for what is likely the not 50-50 split they have, especially with his job. That said, Beto is not high up on my list currently because an overall golden boy vibe isn't enough. I'll admit I haven't paid super close attention to him earlier because a sentient garbage can would be better than Ted Cruz...but now I'm going to need more than a "I was born for this" to be impressed. Off-topic, but that part of the book where she opened up about being a working mom and dealing with all of his campaigns and the effects on their family just made me love her so much more. I could relate so much-well except H isn't running for President-but I'm glad that she put it out there that she struggled so much with his decision to run. She could have sugar-coated it and didn't. Same. I related so much but then I kept laughing at myself because our lives are...not in the same universe.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 14, 2019 19:48:50 GMT -6
I know people are iffy on 538, but I enjoyed their pod today on Beto. If you can’t stand Nate Silver you could read the Claire Malone article on the website and get the best points.
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Post by richard on Mar 14, 2019 19:54:03 GMT -6
My favorite story she told was about how the girls talked her into having a sleepover with their bff's the last night they were in the WH. They showed this photo: And she was talking about how not 10 minutes before this, out waiting for the Trumps, she was kicking the girls' friends out the back door. It was chaotic because there was a perimeter around the WH and no traffic allowed and she wasn't really sure how the girls would be getting home. She was like "you have got to go and good luck getting home!"
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Post by doublestuf on Mar 14, 2019 19:54:40 GMT -6
Off-topic, but that part of the book where she opened up about being a working mom and dealing with all of his campaigns and the effects on their family just made me love her so much more. I could relate so much-well except H isn't running for President-but I'm glad that she put it out there that she struggled so much with his decision to run. She could have sugar-coated it and didn't. Same. I related so much but then I kept laughing at myself because our lives are...not in the same universe. But that is why she is so freaking amazing. Here we all are drawing parallels to our lives, nodding along, and saying "girl, yes!" She is unassuming and humble and honest. I'll gladly participate in a MO thread.
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Post by miawallace on Mar 14, 2019 19:56:36 GMT -6
Maybe I’m broken or something because I read the vanity fair thing on Beto and i don’t see the big deal with the born to do this comment. It’s meh to me. I’m okay with calling out problematic stuff. This just seemed like something generic someone campaigning says. To me it was just corny. I’m not sure I’m saying all this right. To me, he seems to be buying into his own myth. And it's a contrast to the "I've worked hard to be here" that seems to be the message of many of the female candidates. It's pretty interesting to me because I was completely on the opposite side of this with Obama-Hillary. Maybe I'm just old now. Lol. What I’m saying is that, to me, that’s not a deal breaker or even a huge deal. I don’t think anyone in politics should down play themselves. Especially in a crowded race. I think one must be a narcissist to pursue any office. I see things as, do whatever it takes. If the women are doing the hard worker thing good for them. But they shouldn’t feel limited to be that only. Honestly, I find everyone else boring. I read lots of great things don’t get me wrong. But I find them boring. Boring isn’t going to win elections. But I’m speaking with my own life experience. I call out problematic all the time. The beto thing was just obnoxious.
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Post by doublestuf on Mar 14, 2019 19:57:24 GMT -6
Granted, it's Twitter, but look at the responses.
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Post by richard on Mar 14, 2019 20:04:24 GMT -6
To me, he seems to be buying into his own myth. And it's a contrast to the "I've worked hard to be here" that seems to be the message of many of the female candidates. It's pretty interesting to me because I was completely on the opposite side of this with Obama-Hillary. Maybe I'm just old now. Lol. What I’m saying is that, to me, that’s not a deal breaker or even a huge deal. I don’t think anyone in politics should down play themselves. Especially in a crowded race. I think one must be a narcissist to pursue any office. I see things as, do whatever it takes. If the women are doing the hard worker thing good for them. But they shouldn’t feel limited to be that only. Honestly, I find everyone else boring. I read lots of great things don’t get me wrong. But I find them boring. Boring isn’t going to win elections. But I’m speaking with my own life experience. I call out problematic all the time. The beto thing was just obnoxious. I don't see it as problematic either. I just don't have the Beto excitement yet. But like I said, I really don't know much about him beyond his not being Ted Cruz. TBH, I'm having a hard time tracking all of them and finding any time to do deeper dives. I would love for them to do an extended week-long debate, where they all live in a house together and just talk about issues the whole day long so I can compare/contrast better. And then also do cooking competitions in the evening. Would watch.
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Post by miawallace on Mar 14, 2019 20:09:49 GMT -6
What I’m saying is that, to me, that’s not a deal breaker or even a huge deal. I don’t think anyone in politics should down play themselves. Especially in a crowded race. I think one must be a narcissist to pursue any office. I see things as, do whatever it takes. If the women are doing the hard worker thing good for them. But they shouldn’t feel limited to be that only. Honestly, I find everyone else boring. I read lots of great things don’t get me wrong. But I find them boring. Boring isn’t going to win elections. But I’m speaking with my own life experience. I call out problematic all the time. The beto thing was just obnoxious. I don't see it as problematic either. I just don't have the Beto excitement yet. But like I said, I really don't know much about him beyond his not being Ted Cruz. TBH, I'm having a hard time tracking all of them and finding any time to do deeper dives. I would love for them to do an extended week-long debate, where they all live in a house together and just talk about issues the whole day long so I can compare/contrast better. And then also do cooking competitions in the evening. Would watch. Right? I don’t want to get excited about anyone because it’s too early. Honestly I feel like I’m kind of more into Julian right now. He had me when he called 45 a pendejo last year. I like Beto. Everyone else I’m just kind of lumped into “yo no se” territory. The feminist in me wants to root for a woman, but the Mexican in me Wont let me. Lol
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Post by dc2london on Mar 14, 2019 20:15:27 GMT -6
I'm willing to give Biden and Beto a bit of grace on how long they took to announce bc Beto has very young children, and Biden has adult children who would be subject to mudslinging if he runs. That's a REALLY tough decision. It's not about the oppo research or the odds of winning, it's about how much you're willing to put your family through. Never forget Helen Santos' red thong. I’ll give you this point on Beto, since he basically only became a star during the midterms and that’s a pretty fast turnaround... but Biden has been toying with this for literal years. Basically since people started whispering about potential 2016 candidates, no? His name came up then but he wasn’t sure about running because of Beau. His name has been thrown around for 2020 basically starting the day after Trump won. This primary season has started early, but I’m not sure how much more thinking he needs to do? There are so many candidates, let’s get everything on the table and start narrowing it down. In conclusion, team Pete 4 ever. Yeah I really do agree with all of this. My only caveat would be that, in 2016, Donald Trump wasn't the nominee yet and his followers weren't so prolific. To be clear, I don't want Biden in this race. I'm just trying to see the complicated situation here.
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Post by SweetPotato on Mar 14, 2019 20:19:36 GMT -6
What I’m saying is that, to me, that’s not a deal breaker or even a huge deal. I don’t think anyone in politics should down play themselves. Especially in a crowded race. I think one must be a narcissist to pursue any office. I see things as, do whatever it takes. If the women are doing the hard worker thing good for them. But they shouldn’t feel limited to be that only. Honestly, I find everyone else boring. I read lots of great things don’t get me wrong. But I find them boring. Boring isn’t going to win elections. But I’m speaking with my own life experience. I call out problematic all the time. The beto thing was just obnoxious. I don't see it as problematic either. I just don't have the Beto excitement yet. But like I said, I really don't know much about him beyond his not being Ted Cruz. TBH, I'm having a hard time tracking all of them and finding any time to do deeper dives. I would love for them to do an extended week-long debate, where they all live in a house together and just talk about issues the whole day long so I can compare/contrast better. And then also do cooking competitions in the evening. Would watch. I lean Beto (I’m in TX) but otherwise completely agree. I’m leaning Beto because I had his name on everything I own for most of last year lol. I wish I had the time to “get to know” each D candidate really well. I’m probably going to lean Beto until the crowd thins out some and then delve deeper.
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Post by SweetPotato on Mar 14, 2019 20:21:50 GMT -6
But in all honesty I will stand behind whoever has the best chance to beat Trump. Whether that is my personal favorite or not. Whether it is a woman of color or a white man.
I have one goal in mind for 2020 and that’s it.
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Post by sctiger on Mar 14, 2019 20:23:36 GMT -6
I'm partial to Beto, but I also love Kamala Harris's confidence and intelligence and would love to watch her debate Trump and I love Mayor Pete's fresh perspective and his ideas. These three are my favorites. I love Joe but I think his time has passed.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 14, 2019 20:24:49 GMT -6
My favorite story she told was about how the girls talked her into having a sleepover with their bff's the last night they were in the WH. They showed this photo: And she was talking about how not 10 minutes before this, out waiting for the Trumps, she was kicking the girls' friends out the back door. It was chaotic because there was a perimeter around the WH and no traffic allowed and she wasn't really sure how the girls would be getting home. She was like "you have got to go and good luck getting home!" This reminds me of the Princess Mia bachelorette slumber party in Princess Diary 2 because I'm a serious adult person
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Post by jaygee on Mar 14, 2019 20:32:07 GMT -6
My twitter feed is decidedly not rah rah Beto and I was grumpy this morning so everything was rubbing me the wrong way.
But after a day to reflect and, it finally stopped raining here, and I am finally getting some relief on being sick, I’ll just say:
Welcome to the race, Beto. Happy to have you. I’ll keep my mind open and I hope you bring a lot to the race.
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Post by richard on Mar 14, 2019 20:33:18 GMT -6
Lol.
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Post by miawallace on Mar 14, 2019 20:34:45 GMT -6
But in all honesty I will stand behind whoever has the best chance to beat Trump. Whether that is my personal favorite or not. Whether it is a woman of color or a white man. I have one goal in mind for 2020 and that’s it. I think this is where I am. I honestly don’t care too much about the micros as much as getting these asswipes out of office.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 14, 2019 20:36:51 GMT -6
Same. I related so much but then I kept laughing at myself because our lives are...not in the same universe. But that is why she is so freaking amazing. Here we all are drawing parallels to our lives, nodding along, and saying "girl, yes!" She is unassuming and humble and honest. I'll gladly participate in a MO thread. I said it in the other thread but I literally paced the audible book so it lasted me 3 months. I loved my Michelle time.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 14, 2019 20:38:58 GMT -6
But in all honesty I will stand behind whoever has the best chance to beat Trump. Whether that is my personal favorite or not. Whether it is a woman of color or a white man. I have one goal in mind for 2020 and that’s it. As was stated 32 pages ago, #hagfish2020 ::end scene:: 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by jaygee on Mar 14, 2019 20:41:20 GMT -6
I really want a female president. Like really, really want one. So that makes me knee jerk grumpy at male candidates. And I realize that’s not entirely fair. But it’s how I feel in my heart and head a full 18 months before Election Day.
I will support whomever the Dem candidate is and I know some of these guys are GREAT and we would be lucky to have them as president. But I think as long as it’s an option I’m just going to be pulling a little harder for the ladies. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by tallb on Mar 14, 2019 21:55:49 GMT -6
But in all honesty I will stand behind whoever has the best chance to beat Trump. Whether that is my personal favorite or not. Whether it is a woman of color or a white man. I have one goal in mind for 2020 and that’s it. This is me. I so want a woman to be president, but I feel like a white man is probably our best shot and getting him out of office, which makes me lean for Beto or Biden. I feel like an awful feminist saying that. I'll be 100% behind whoever gets the nom though.
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Post by misspatty on Mar 15, 2019 6:06:24 GMT -6
I like Beto. I was hoping he'd run. I was expecting him to tell me why he should be president. "I was born to do it" isn't going to cut it, so I'm going to need him to expand with something more substantive than that before I'm sold.
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Post by misspatty on Mar 15, 2019 6:12:11 GMT -6
I’ll give you this point on Beto, since he basically only became a star during the midterms and that’s a pretty fast turnaround... but Biden has been toying with this for literal years. Basically since people started whispering about potential 2016 candidates, no? His name came up then but he wasn’t sure about running because of Beau. His name has been thrown around for 2020 basically starting the day after Trump won. This primary season has started early, but I’m not sure how much more thinking he needs to do? There are so many candidates, let’s get everything on the table and start narrowing it down. In conclusion, team Pete 4 ever. Yeah I really do agree with all of this. My only caveat would be that, in 2016, Donald Trump wasn't the nominee yet and his followers weren't so prolific. To be clear, I don't want Biden in this race. I'm just trying to see the complicated situation here. I get it, I think I'm just super burnt out on the posturing and political games so I've lost my patience with it. Quit toying with us if you know you're planning to run. I'm not looking for flash or style. I don't care about dunking on Trump. Give me a solid candidate who has concrete ideas about how to fix the mess we're in and a real plan to beat this motherfucker.
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 15, 2019 6:49:38 GMT -6
While I realize getting that orangutan out of office is of the utmost importance. I dont want it all to be about that. I will fully, loudly support whomever ends up being the nominee. But PERSONALLY I want more, I want a woman president, I want someone who can unite instead of divide and I want big ideas. Not just I have the best chance of beating that breathing rock occupying the white house.
Like I said I do like Beto, but intuitively I just am not feeling it. Maybe because after listening to Pete, I really like how he speaks with an intelligence thats not condescending and is so commonsense and down to earth, maybe because Kamala has has the backbone I think we need, maybe because Julian actually CAME TO BOISE when we're ignored by 99% of dem candidates, I dont know. I think Beto needs to be on the national stage somewhere I'm just not sure I want him in this race
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Post by misspatty on Mar 15, 2019 7:00:06 GMT -6
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