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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 6:46:49 GMT -6
I'm watching clips of Mayor Pete's townhall and I threw him some money. He has to be close to the 65k threshold.
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Post by cakewench on Mar 12, 2019 6:50:05 GMT -6
This aligns with my interests. Also, I'm happy so many people agree with me on Bernie. Best response is the tweet that proclaimed Trump a muggle. #truth He's not just a muggle, he's a muggle who's pissed he never got a letter to Hogwarts (a la Petunia), and now he's trying to demonize wizardry because if he can't have it, no one can.
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Post by misspatty on Mar 12, 2019 6:54:23 GMT -6
This aligns with my interests. Also, I'm happy so many people agree with me on Bernie. I <3 Chasten
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Post by greykitty on Mar 12, 2019 6:54:34 GMT -6
Didn't Finland try an experiment using a version of Universal Income and pulled the plug after two years? I'm guessing it's a hard program to actually test in real life over a relatively short term.
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 12, 2019 7:00:34 GMT -6
I'm watching clips of Mayor Pete's townhall and I threw him some money. He has to be close to the 65k threshold. I did too. He deserves a platform and I want him to be heard.
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 12, 2019 7:03:25 GMT -6
I'm watching clips of Mayor Pete's townhall and I threw him some money. He has to be close to the 65k threshold. I did too. He deserves a platform and I want him to be heard. I already had thrown him $$$ but I bought a Mayor Pete Exploratory t-shirt
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 12, 2019 7:12:31 GMT -6
Best response is the tweet that proclaimed Trump a muggle. #truth He's not just a muggle, he's a muggle who's pissed he never got a letter to Hogwarts (a la Petunia), and now he's trying to demonize wizardry because if he can't have it, no one can. So. Accurate.
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Post by enchanted on Mar 12, 2019 7:13:28 GMT -6
My only complaint with the HP voting is Joe Biden. How is he not a Hufflepuff?
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Post by lemondrop on Mar 12, 2019 7:25:16 GMT -6
GOP desperation is strong.
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Post by cakewench on Mar 12, 2019 7:32:32 GMT -6
My only complaint with the HP voting is Joe Biden. How is he not a Hufflepuff? ONE OF US! ONE OF US! #hufflepuffpride
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 12, 2019 7:38:32 GMT -6
TTMA Universal Basic Income. I get the general gist of it, but where does the money come from? How is it paid for? Does it apply to everyone? I'm just wondering about how it would work, and the articles I'm finding online are unhelpful and/or dismissing it as a terrible idea. If anyone can point me to helpful/factually accurate resources, I'd appreciate it! So like everything there is no one way to do it. A few cities have started test programs around the world and each pay for it differently. Generally throughout is through taxes. In the specific instance of Yang he is suggesting introducing a VAT tax to pay for it. Every adult in a household would get $1000 a month, so two adult households would get $2,000 a month. The idea being that this money gives a cushion to protect people when they lose a job, aren't able to work because they take care of family/kids, etc. It also is thought to encourage people to take more risks with opening a small business or simply pursuing jobs that may not pay well such as those in the arts because you have a baseline of income. One test of UBI in a euro country (will find the article) showed that it didn't increase employment but it lowered stress and increased happiness. Also with The increased threat of ai taking over Many jobs in the near future there is a real likelihood we will not have enough jobs for our population. This is one way to help deal that transition.
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Post by enchanted on Mar 12, 2019 8:07:27 GMT -6
My only complaint with the HP voting is Joe Biden. How is he not a Hufflepuff? ONE OF US! ONE OF US! #hufflepuffpride I'm actually a Gryffindor, but he seems like a Tonks kind of Hufflepuff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 8:09:22 GMT -6
Interesting. Thanks blurnette989. I think I like it. Going to keep reading about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 8:10:08 GMT -6
My only complaint with the HP voting is Joe Biden. How is he not a Hufflepuff? Biden is the very definition of Hufflepuff!
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Post by jaygee on Mar 12, 2019 8:31:31 GMT -6
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 12, 2019 8:56:13 GMT -6
Didn't Finland try an experiment using a version of Universal Income and pulled the plug after two years? I'm guessing it's a hard program to actually test in real life over a relatively short term. The Finnish program was a test run and Only intended to go for two years. Somewhere in Canada did end a test early after a government change.
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Post by greykitty on Mar 12, 2019 10:17:27 GMT -6
Didn't Finland try an experiment using a version of Universal Income and pulled the plug after two years? I'm guessing it's a hard program to actually test in real life over a relatively short term. The Finnish program was a test run and Only intended to go for two years. Somewhere in Canada did end a test early after a government change. Thanks! I remembered reading about the conclusion of the trial, that while the recipients for the most part felt happier/healthier, the hoped for increased employment didn't happen and Finland decided against extending/expanding the program. Granted, the initial pool was, what, 2000 people so maybe hard to extrapolate either way.
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Post by greykitty on Mar 12, 2019 10:20:25 GMT -6
Could anyone point me to a good explanation of how a VAT tax might work in the US. My understanding is that it's usually considered a regressive tax, and I tend not to like those, but don't know how it might actually work in the US.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 12, 2019 10:37:14 GMT -6
The thing about studying the impact of UBI is that it seems like it’s going to be hard to measure in a short time frame. Any kind of positive change in economic security could have downstream impacts for generations. Growing up poor, I can’t even begin to imagine how my life would have been different with some guaranteed basic income for my parents.
The thing about it for me is that we have the money. We are either wasting it on dumb stuff or we are letting businesses keep it by not taxing them enough.
Overall, I support reparations first, but UBI is a second to me if reparations cannot be accomplished.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 12:26:13 GMT -6
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Post by misspatty on Mar 12, 2019 12:27:03 GMT -6
Ughhhhhh. Say it ain't so, Joe.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 12:28:02 GMT -6
misspatty, only a like for the Shoeless Joe/Field of Dreams reference.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Mar 12, 2019 12:41:52 GMT -6
Come on, Biden! No!
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 12, 2019 12:59:51 GMT -6
I love Joe, but come on man your time has come and gone. I also don't think he is going to be able to compete with a lot of the younger, more progressive voices.
I feel like he will spend too much time going after Trump. I mean I know this is necessary to an extent but I am not interested in that. I want to hear what these candidates want to do to actually make this country better. Joe will do that, but it's going to be in the manner of going after Trump all.the.time and I don't think that's how a Dem wins this election. It will get nasty.
Mayor Pete is the only candidate I have heard so far that explains his policy positions in a thoughtful manner, while also reducing the buzz words and attack lines. I feel like that's all you get with guys like Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. Stupid buzz words and always on the attack. I'm just over it.
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 12, 2019 13:05:54 GMT -6
Like the Iowa poll has him at 60% or something.
I need the Iowans to stop that kind of encouragement.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 13:07:43 GMT -6
Like the Iowa poll has him at 60% or something.
I need the Iowans to stop that kind of encouragement.
Mh keeps pointing out these numbers and I have to stick my fingers in my ears. Biden and Bernie have the name recognition to poll that high right now. I think (hope) it will change.
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 12, 2019 13:28:00 GMT -6
Like the Iowa poll has him at 60% or something.
I need the Iowans to stop that kind of encouragement.
Mh keeps pointing out these numbers and I have to stick my fingers in my ears. Biden and Bernie have the name recognition to poll that high right now. I think (hope) it will change. I hope so.
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 12, 2019 13:50:16 GMT -6
The Finnish program was a test run and Only intended to go for two years. Somewhere in Canada did end a test early after a government change. Thanks! I remembered reading about the conclusion of the trial, that while the recipients for the most part felt happier/healthier, the hoped for increased employment didn't happen and Finland decided against extending/expanding the program. Granted, the initial pool was, what, 2000 people so maybe hard to extrapolate either way. One other factor I found interesting was that the majority of people selected had been unemployed for long periods of time, which made me think that might also make it harder for them to find work and/or they really weren't that interested in working.
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 12, 2019 14:05:18 GMT -6
Could anyone point me to a good explanation of how a VAT tax might work in the US. My understanding is that it's usually considered a regressive tax, and I tend not to like those, but don't know how it might actually work in the US. So it functions somewhat like a sales tax, except when you aren't the end user of the product, you can subtract the difference oftthe vat. So if a builder buys wood to build a house, they can deduct the vat paid for the wood from the homebuyers vat. It's really just a different method of generating tax from a sales tax and something like 165 countries in the world use it. This is from Wikipedia which i think explains it better than me: VAT is assessed and collected on the value of goods or services that have been provided every time there is a transaction (sale/purchase). The seller charges VAT to the buyer, and the seller pays this VAT to the government. If, however, the purchasers are not the end users, but the goods or services purchased are costs to their business, the tax they have paid for such purchases can be deducted from the tax they charge to their customers. The government only receives the difference; in other words, it is paid tax on the gross margin of each transaction, by each participant in the sales chain.[9]
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Post by coconutbacon on Mar 12, 2019 14:58:04 GMT -6
I first heard of him a couple months ago on Freakonomics: freakonomics.com/podcast/andrew-yang/He’s not on my list of people I’m considering voting for/ donating to, but I have to admit, rebranding Universal Basic Income as a “Freedom Dividend” is pretty smart. It made me wonder how other progressive ideas could simply be rebranded to appeal to conservatives. There was a freshman congresswoman, Lauren Underwood, on NPR talking about similar ideas (eg. rebranding free-college for all as a new financial aid reform) on NPR this morning. I actually think Mayor Pete’s “Freedom to” vs “Freedom From” is coming from a similar place too. It’s smart.
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