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Post by sally on Jul 25, 2018 16:16:09 GMT -6
Bluebird and charliefox, I'm glad you have plans and tentative dates! Hugs charliefox, it's such a shitty thing to have to go through and I imagine having to do it without your H must be worse, but you've totally got this. You can do it, and once you start it'll probably be easier than you think. And it'll go quick once you start stims, but I know there's this whole buildup before it. We are here if you need to vent.
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Post by skidevil87 on Jul 25, 2018 20:10:37 GMT -6
jacks, sally, I was thinking the same thing- I'm probably going to pick an arbitrary date for the caffeine- August 1st- my baseline is the 21st. I have a big softball tournament on 8/18-19 (and a baby shower that weekend) so the baseline seems like a good idea. I just can't believe that I'm finally prepping for my FET. It has been so fucking long. gah.
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Post by jacks on Jul 25, 2018 22:46:21 GMT -6
Hugs charliefox. I’ve cried so many times in my car this past year. I hope you’re feeling better.
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Post by Bluebird on Jul 26, 2018 15:25:22 GMT -6
I was told I did not need to give up caffeine or alcohol, just use in moderation. Does everyone else totally give it up?
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Post by bonzo on Jul 26, 2018 18:08:46 GMT -6
I was told I did not need to give up caffeine or alcohol, just use in moderation. Does everyone else totally give it up? I always gave up coffee and alcohol when I started down reg. I’ve currently been completely caffeine free since mid-April (including chocolate) for FET prep since they were concerned about my blood flow. Also no alcohol, except 1 mimosa at brunch on our anniversary. I figured that realistically 1 drink wouldn’t affect anything.
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Post by jacks on Jul 26, 2018 23:06:16 GMT -6
I was told I did not need to give up caffeine or alcohol, just use in moderation. Does everyone else totally give it up? My office always says no alcohol starting at baseline and to limit caffeine to one 8oz cup a day. I’m not a big drinker, so sometimes I would have a glass of wine when I was between cycles, but not always. I switched to half-caff coffee when we started IUI and stuck with it because the initial decrease was rough.
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Post by ♪♫choppinbroccoli♫♪ on Jul 30, 2018 6:55:14 GMT -6
Hi guys. Just wanted to update you that both embryos came back abnormal. One had two extra chromosomes, and the other had a deletion.
I'm not really looking for anything. Just wanted to close it out. I'm feeling pretty numb.
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Post by bonzo on Jul 30, 2018 7:24:21 GMT -6
♪♫choppinbroccoli♫♪, I’m so sorry. It is so hard to go through IVF and feel like you have nothing to show for it. I’ve been there too. Sending you love and hugs. Try to be kind to yourself, and take as much time as you need to process.
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Post by sally on Jul 30, 2018 8:27:29 GMT -6
Hi guys. Just wanted to update you that both embryos came back abnormal. One had two extra chromosomes, and the other had a deletion. I'm not really looking for anything. Just wanted to close it out. I'm feeling pretty numb. Oh shit. I am so sorry. Big creepy internet stranger hugs. I know that doesn't help, but we are thinking of you and are here if you need us. Do what you need to do to get through this.
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Post by sally on Jul 30, 2018 9:18:59 GMT -6
I was told I did not need to give up caffeine or alcohol, just use in moderation. Does everyone else totally give it up? I don't actually remember what my office said. I gave up caffeine and alcohol because I knew we would probably have to do IVF and there was a good chance it was an egg issue, and both those things are not good for egg quality. Not that it seemed to help much, and it's not like I was a huge drinker before, but it was something I could do to try to help.
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Post by Bluebird on Jul 30, 2018 10:03:56 GMT -6
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Post by bex15 on Jul 30, 2018 10:22:43 GMT -6
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Post by bonzo on Jul 30, 2018 11:46:57 GMT -6
We got our PGS results in and have 6 normal embryos! I’m so grateful that this is finally working!
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Post by charliefox on Jul 30, 2018 13:14:06 GMT -6
Can someone tell me if I'm being silly or not? H and I are sort of in disagreement about IVF timing....
**TW: LC mentioned**
So here's how our IVF cycle is going down: H is OOT for Army training until Sept 2 (possibly back Aug 31 but likely not). Our tentative retrieval date is set at Sept 5 which gives us a few days buffer for H to be home. The REAL problem I'm having is that DS (almost 3) is starting a new school on Sept 5. Somehow I JUST realized this. Aug 28 is their back to school party, Sept 4 is the day we go meet the teachers and DS gets to see the classroom, and Sept 5 is his first day. I'm bummed that I'll likely miss it, but the bigger problem is that DS might miss it. H is like "no problem, I'll just take him" but if it's retrieval day then that won't work. We don't live near family and really only have 1 close friend that would be able to help out with DS during retrieval but it would't work out for her to take him because her daughter is starting at the same school (different class) so they'll be doing their thing.
Am I over thinking this? I just wanted to push everything a few days but H thinks it will be fine. I'm also having parent guilt that I'm messing with DS's new school transition for this possibly 2nd kid who isn't even conceived yet!
Also, for the pool party on the 28th I'll be a few days into stims, am I going to bloated and uncomfortable yet or totally fine?
**End TW**
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Post by charliefox on Jul 30, 2018 13:19:51 GMT -6
Oh, ♪♫choppinbroccoli♫♪, I am so, so sorry. We're here for whatever you need, please be kind to yourself.
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Post by bonzo on Jul 30, 2018 14:53:59 GMT -6
charliefox, a couple days into stims my first time, I felt miserable. Second time, I was ok as long as I didn’t think about bending over. So, hopefully you’d be ok for a pool party, but also be prepared to be bloated and uncomfortable. TW - LC As for your DS starting school, would it be possible for the friend to take him to the first day of school? I know it’s not ideal, but could she get him to his classroom? If your retrieval is in then your H should be able to pick DS up. Or at least be home for your friend to bring him home.
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Post by bex15 on Jul 30, 2018 15:36:52 GMT -6
***TW BFP***
Not sure if this needs a trigger here or not but I just got my beta’s back, 150! I am pregnant and in shock but beyond excited! I go back on Wednesday for a second draw.
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Post by bonzo on Jul 30, 2018 15:43:29 GMT -6
Congrats, bex15! (And yes, historically the IVF thread does TW for betas)
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Post by sally on Jul 30, 2018 18:16:47 GMT -6
Amazing bex15! Congratulations!
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Post by sally on Jul 30, 2018 18:21:42 GMT -6
charliefox, FWIW I've done 3 retrievals and none of them have been on the day they estimated. That probably doesn't help, though, sorry. It's all based on what your body does, so if you stim quick or slow your timeline will change. Or it could be on the estimated day.
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Post by cythe on Jul 30, 2018 19:58:17 GMT -6
**lurker, grad, all the things** charliefox - FWIW I've also had 2 retrievals and neither of them on the projected day. Assuming that it does fall on the 5th, I'll play the medical card and say that you'll be under sedation for retrieval and they dont want you to be alone afterwards for a length of time. That said, my husband was deployed during both my retrievals and I was alone immediately and I survived. Your H knows he has to drive you home, yes? As for stims, some people feel rotten and some don't. I felt totally fine all throughout stims but I only had 12 follicles so you may be different.
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Post by charliefox on Jul 30, 2018 20:56:08 GMT -6
**lurker, grad, all the things** charliefox - FWIW I've also had 2 retrievals and neither of them on the projected day. Assuming that it does fall on the 5th, I'll play the medical card and say that you'll be under sedation for retrieval and they dont want you to be alone afterwards for a length of time. That said, my husband was deployed during both my retrievals and I was alone immediately and I survived. Your H knows he has to drive you home, yes? As for stims, some people feel rotten and some don't. I felt totally fine all throughout stims but I only had 12 follicles so you may be different. H was all for my doing the whole thing while he was gone but uh...not gonna happen. H will totally take time off work to take care of me etc but it's just the logistics of the other one that are difficult. My AMH is low-ish so I'm not expecting a ton of follicles (although, AFC months ago was 15 so who knows lol).
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Post by charliefox on Jul 30, 2018 21:02:49 GMT -6
**TW - LC** bonzo, definitely not ideal, I would hate to ask our friend to take him but I know she'd do it. She's who I would ask to watch him on any other day anyway. *end TW* bonzo, sally, cythe and anyone else... if you did other medicated cycles prior to IVF how quickly did your follicles grow vs. during IVF stims? I'm curious if there's a correlation, like if you have fast growing follicles then you always have fast growing follicles (or slow or whatever). Also, help a newb out, what is the range they're looking for to trigger? Obviously as many mature as possible but you don't want some to over grown while waiting on the slackers, right?
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Post by cythe on Jul 30, 2018 21:14:44 GMT -6
**TW - LC** bonzo, definitely not ideal, I would hate to ask our friend to take him but I know she'd do it. She's who I would ask to watch him on any other day anyway. *end TW* bonzo, sally, cythe and anyone else... if you did other medicated cycles prior to IVF how quickly did your follicles grow vs. during IVF stims? I'm curious if there's a correlation, like if you have fast growing follicles then you always have fast growing follicles (or slow or whatever). Also, help a newb out, what is the range they're looking for to trigger? Obviously as many mature as possible but you don't want some to over grown while waiting on the slackers, right? I did 3 IUIs before my 2 IVF cycles and I was a slow responder to all 3 clomid cycles as well as my 2 Gonal-F cycles. For a range, my RE typically looks for the 18-20 range at retrieval. Usually if you have a lead follicle, your doc will sacrafice it if you have a lot of others that show signs of catching up. Sometimes the lead isn't a waste just because it's big. For example - I have maturity issues so my egg follicles get big but contain immature eggs so when we did my second IVF they let my follicles get to the 22-24 range before we triggered. Basically as you get close to trigger, talk to your doctor and be sure you're comfortable with literally pulling the trigger on your follicles. Hopefully everything goes smoothly and it's an easy decision!
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Post by bonzo on Jul 30, 2018 21:22:41 GMT -6
charliefox, because of my low AMH and H’s morphology issues, we went straight to IVF. So, I’m no help in comparing to TI or IUI. But my two retrieval’s had different protocols, and my follicles grew at roughly the same rate both times. They ideally want to see a number of follicles that are all roughly the same size. For trigger, mine wanted at least 4 to measure 16mm. Some smaller ones will still be useful size, but they like to see 16mm. That’s part of why you get so bloated, you have lots of follicles that are nearly 2cm! You may get a leader or two. Normally they’ll start you on an antagonist (Cetrotide) to prevent follicles from ovulating too early. Just make sure to ask your nurse or the monitoring tech any questions you have along the way. They want you to be comfortable with each step!
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Post by jense927 on Jul 31, 2018 6:57:24 GMT -6
**Trigger** Grad Warning and LC mentioned charliefox before treatments I was slowish to ovulate. Day 21 or so. On clomid, and femera for my IUI cycles I was ready to trigger by day 12 each time. Same thing for my IVF cycles. Very fast response. By day 10-12 we were triggering. I would say you just have to go for it and figure things out as they fall because you will have a general time frame but like others have said its nearly impossible to pin - point the exact day. I know how you feel with having DS. I felt immense guilt with prioritizing this process over him so I get it. Unfortunately it can be a necessary evil and hopefully all worth it in the end. I felt totally fine on the meds/stims (Had between 14-20 follicles). I felt like crap after the retrieval though. It lasted for between 5-7 days post retrieval for me. Good luck! Bluebird Just wanted to chime in with my anecdote... my doctor's didn't say I had to give up alcohol or caffeine and I didn't. My thoughts were this process has and could take a long time I am going to enjoy my life as is. I would refrain from alcohol after transfer but still continue to have my one cup of coffee a day.
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Post by sally on Jul 31, 2018 11:07:40 GMT -6
charliefox on natural cycles I've never ovulated before day 14, and usually day 15-18 (occasionally longer). On clomid and gonal f I think I triggered day 12-13. For IVF I was a really quick stim and it went a lot faster, and I triggered on day 9 or 10.
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Post by charliefox on Jul 31, 2018 11:42:11 GMT -6
Thanks so much ladies I really appreciate all the insight and anecdotes.
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Post by bananas22 on Jul 31, 2018 12:31:48 GMT -6
**grad/lurker/LC mentioned** charliefox, I was typically a slow responder for IUIs but I stimmed pretty quick on my IVF cycle- triggered on day 10 of stims. They are just estimating when they give you a retrieval date so it may not even interfere with school for your DS. I didn’t feel bloated until the day before retrieval and they retrieved 45 eggs so I had a lot growing. Good luck, all of this can be challenging but it’s so worth it now to see my son with my daughter even if we had to make some sacrifices along the way. . bonzo, congrats on the 6 normals! I’m so excited for you!
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Post by sally on Jul 31, 2018 12:34:33 GMT -6
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